Fri Mar 20, 2015 10:57 pm
S&G combination help please
I recently acquired a Fort Knox gun safe in a round about way. A local fellow bought a house in Arizona and the safe was in the house. He hauled it back to Wisconsin and had a friend unload it with his tractor/backhoe. All went well until it was set on some sort of dolly, I think it may have been one of those import wooden dollies. Of course, it gave way and over the safe went landing on it's front bending the spokes on the wheel and damaging the mechanical combination.
It was then given to the unloader as he is a gun buyer and he promptly brought it to my uncle who has opened (as it cut) old safes in the past. I can credit him to getting me interested in safes which ultimately led to the cannonball in my other thread. So then, this gun safe was then given to me.
First, the Fort Knox is about 20 25 years old according to the serial number. The spy proof dial ring was loose, the bolts had sheered off. The dial was also bent and would not rotate. They had messed around with it some trying to straighten the dial. Once I got it home I discovered the screw heads were behind the dial and would jamb it intermittently. The dial was pulled out some so there was play in and out. I think the dial was partially pulled off the spindle. I pried on the dial some and succeeded to get it quite straight and the screw heads out. That is when I started looking for manipulation and drilling information and discovered this site.
I tried to do some mapping of the wheels but there is a wobble in the spindle shaft so it wasn't going well. Then, after some phone calls and visits I discovered one of the guys had the combination. Well now, things are looking up! Sure enough, despite the loose dial ring I was successful on the first try and opened the safe. While it does have a relocker on the box thank goodness it did not have a secondary relocker. Now for the lock, I could use some guidance from you guys.
It is an S&G but I am not sure what model. There was a Fort Knox piece of sale literature for the safe inside but it just says "manipulation resistant S&G lock".
I see a new dial, ring, and spindle are available but I wonder if I should just change out the whole thing? While I have not pulled the box yet, everything looks ok from what I can tell. I wonder about the spline key as it seems to be crushed, probably from the hit. Others I have seen always stuck out some but I cannot grip this one at all.
Can you tell me what exact model this lock is? What model should I replace it with? I want to stay mechanical. Please share you knowledge and opinions.I see there are new take offs from gun safes that were converted to electronic on Ebay but most of them are black. This one was gold but I may change it over to black or the brushed chrome depending on what I do with the wheel.
For those who might be interested here is a look at the inside of the door. Lots of gears in those Knox's... and this is only half of them!
It was then given to the unloader as he is a gun buyer and he promptly brought it to my uncle who has opened (as it cut) old safes in the past. I can credit him to getting me interested in safes which ultimately led to the cannonball in my other thread. So then, this gun safe was then given to me.
First, the Fort Knox is about 20 25 years old according to the serial number. The spy proof dial ring was loose, the bolts had sheered off. The dial was also bent and would not rotate. They had messed around with it some trying to straighten the dial. Once I got it home I discovered the screw heads were behind the dial and would jamb it intermittently. The dial was pulled out some so there was play in and out. I think the dial was partially pulled off the spindle. I pried on the dial some and succeeded to get it quite straight and the screw heads out. That is when I started looking for manipulation and drilling information and discovered this site.
I tried to do some mapping of the wheels but there is a wobble in the spindle shaft so it wasn't going well. Then, after some phone calls and visits I discovered one of the guys had the combination. Well now, things are looking up! Sure enough, despite the loose dial ring I was successful on the first try and opened the safe. While it does have a relocker on the box thank goodness it did not have a secondary relocker. Now for the lock, I could use some guidance from you guys.
It is an S&G but I am not sure what model. There was a Fort Knox piece of sale literature for the safe inside but it just says "manipulation resistant S&G lock".
I see a new dial, ring, and spindle are available but I wonder if I should just change out the whole thing? While I have not pulled the box yet, everything looks ok from what I can tell. I wonder about the spline key as it seems to be crushed, probably from the hit. Others I have seen always stuck out some but I cannot grip this one at all.
Can you tell me what exact model this lock is? What model should I replace it with? I want to stay mechanical. Please share you knowledge and opinions.I see there are new take offs from gun safes that were converted to electronic on Ebay but most of them are black. This one was gold but I may change it over to black or the brushed chrome depending on what I do with the wheel.
For those who might be interested here is a look at the inside of the door. Lots of gears in those Knox's... and this is only half of them!
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