Need help with first Manipulation/scope

[Gratefuldeadbolt]

So here goes with your numbers. Lets try 0-50-90

Dial Left 4 times to 0 (Picked at random)

Dial Right 3 times to 50 (picked on purpose to see what it looks like at 50 through change key hole)

Dial Left 2 times to 90 (so that the gate lines up with the change key hole allowing you to see past the first wheel to get a peek at what the second wheel looked like while parked at 50)

Make note of what you see on second wheel.

Then repeat the exact same process this time dialing 0- 55- 90

Make note of what you see.

Then repeat with 0- 60- 90
Then repeat with 0- 65- 90
Then repeat with 0- 70- 90 etc...

Now you are well on your way to mapping what the second wheel looks like.

I hope this makes sense.

Note that in the example I gave I incremented the second wheel by 5 numbers each time. Be aware that there is a possibility that you could go all the way around the second wheel and completely miss seeing the change key square or the gate itself. You may need to try smaller incruments next time around . Or on the second pass try 52, 57, 62, 67 etc as the second number.

[IDM]

Got it. When the change key holes are lined up are the gates also lined up?

[Gratefuldeadbolt]

Yes.. and if you think about how the change key works it makes sense.

If you dial a working combination say 20-40-60 to the 12oclock index mark, all the gates and change key slots are lined up only in this case the gates are under the fence that drops into place to open lock.

Now if you use a working combination of 20-40-60 at the changekey index mark a little to the left of the main index mark, again all the wheels are lined up but this time the gates are not where they need to be to open the lock, instead all of the change key slots are lined up at the hole you were viewing through.

Thre is a direct relationship between the gate and change key slot on each wheel. Say 50 numbers.

So. When viewing wheels through the change key hole... and you see a gate on a wheel... you can add 50 and then you will see a change key slot instead and vice versa.

Thats will help in mapping the wheels faster.

Have you found the gate yet on the second wheel?

[GWiens2001]

Correction - when the change key holes are lined up, the gates are lined up - with the change index, not with the fence.

Read the numbers from the change index when the change key slots are lined up with the change key slot. Then dial those same numbers to the dialing index.

Gordon

[IDM]

Ok here is a you tube of the key hole and gates lining up. I will try the sugestions above to remap the wheels.
Thanks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDXGueZ ... e=youtu.be

[Gratefuldeadbolt]

Ok well I humbly admit I just learned something today...lol... forget everything I said...

It looks like all you wheels just happen to be lined up. So its likely st to a one 2digit combination

[Gratefuldeadbolt]

What is the number on the dial at the change key index when the change key holes are lined up in your video at the 12 second mark?

[IDM]

I think its 38.5-39 hard to tell with not being able to get a streight on view of the CKH.

[Gratefuldeadbolt]

Gordon could maybe verify but at 12 sec mark it looks like all the change key slots are lined up.

Whatever number that is at the change key index...at the 12 sec mark... thats the combo.

If its 39 at the main 12 oclock index and 30 at the change key index... thats your baby.

Dial 4x to left .. stop at 30, turn right to open

[Gratefuldeadbolt]

If 30 doesnt work try same technique with a few numbers either side of 30 ( or number you got that was at the change index at the 12 second mark when the change key slots were all aligned.

[IDM]

yes at the 12 sec mark all the change key holes line up. but not perfect. you can see when i stop them at the gates they are just a bit off. But mabey only a number or 2.

The # at the 12 Second mark in the video is 38.5 or 39.

[Gratefuldeadbolt]

The lock in the video doesnt look like a mosler 302-402 to me . But then again I am new to the safe work. Perhaps someone here could verify the lock id.

Are there not two index marks on the dial? One at 12 oclock and one a little to the left by 8 or 9 numbers?

Which index mark are you using to come up with the 38/39 number.

The wheels in the video look close enough to try a a few numbers say 10 numbers above and below 39.

Dial 4 times left to 39 then turn right to about 0 to 5... tap on the face of safe with a deadblow hammer (dont mark paint) to encourage wheels to line up and fence to drop. The turn more to right to retract the bolt.

Try this going lower about 10 numbers and then higher by abiut 10 numbers.

[IDM]

Ok
there is only one mark on the dial bezal at 12 oklock. The back of the lock says mosler 302-402
To make sur i understand just 4 times to left then bring it up to 38/39 without going back right then left to 38/39 like you would normaly?
No problem with maring this safe lots of chips from years of having coins in and out of it.

[Gratefuldeadbolt]

Well im stumpped for a sec... not familiar enough with the 302-402 I guess... the wheels in vid look different than I expected. And with no change index im not sure of the relative location of the change key hole as to the opening location.

It definately looks like the wheels are all lined up though.

You may have to run through a few tests.

Dial all wheels left 4 times stoping at your 38/39.
Then dial right a full turn and see if it opens.

If that doesnt work try one number higher ... left 4 times to 40 then try right to open....

Then again ane number higher. Left 4 x to 41 etc

Heck try at least 20 numbers up and 20 down... shouldnt take long

Im hoping some else here helps out because I had an entirely different class of locks in mind. Sorry... I look forward to the solutiob as much as you now.

[Gratefuldeadbolt]

Just did a quick search here for mosler 302 and found this thread.
viewtopic.php?f=100&t=8905&p=79895&hilit=mosler+302#p79895