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Disc detainer locks - tips & tricks [VIDEO]

PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 2:26 pm
by Solomon
I wrote up a guide on these before, but a video is much easier to understand... although I guess my accent could leave that open to debate :shock:

In the video I've covered the basic principles of the mechanism, the tools, proper picking technique, advanced picking and also some troubleshooting for those locks that just won't seem to pick. There are some useful links in the description too, make sure to check those out!

These locks aren't exactly copies of the Abloy design, they work along the same principle but are actually cheaper variants of the ones manufactured by companies like Solex and Monterey. Those are higher quality, but the same rules when picking them apply. Only difference is, there will be false gates and the binding order won't be as lateral.

I wanted to fit it all into one vid, but it's almost 20 mins long so I had to split it into 2. You'll definately need a cuppa for this one. Enjoy!

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Re: Disc detainer locks - tips & tricks [VIDEO]

PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 9:33 am
by whizdumb
What a fantastic tutorial. Thank you so much for this.. These videos made disc detainer locks very clear to me. Great job.

This is definitely sticky material.

Re: Disc detainer locks - tips & tricks [VIDEO]

PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 10:32 am
by barbarian
Nice work.. You make it look easy.

Thanks for the excellent information.

Re: Disc detainer locks - tips & tricks [VIDEO]

PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:16 am
by Solomon
Thanks very much guys, I appreciate it. I'm by no means an expert but I've picked a ton of these things so it's nice to be able to share what I've learned so far. :)

Re: Disc detainer locks - tips & tricks [VIDEO]

PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 1:25 pm
by steve01jag
Thanks for a great tutorial! Although still very much learning about SPP, these disc detainer look interesting.

Are you able to use those techniques/tools on Abloy locks? I vaguely remember reading that the Abloy's use other disks apart from the front and rear for tension which would make it harder than the lower spec locks to pick.

Re: Disc detainer locks - tips & tricks [VIDEO]

PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 3:16 pm
by Solomon
steve01jag wrote:Thanks for a great tutorial! Although still very much learning about SPP, these disc detainer look interesting.

Are you able to use those techniques/tools on Abloy locks? I vaguely remember reading that the Abloy's use other disks apart from the front and rear for tension which would make it harder than the lower spec locks to pick.

Thanks steve :D

Abloy are much more complex, definately. The tools are more specialised and take more skill to use, although the picking procedure remains much the same. The driver discs are at set positions as far as I'm aware, but there are so many different models for different applications and levels of security it's really hard to say where. Although the main reasons abloy are harder is down to higher manufacturing tolerances, false gates, and in some cases they also employ the use of multiple disc profiles. It's scary stuff :shock:

Re: Disc detainer locks - tips & tricks [VIDEO]

PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 3:22 pm
by steve01jag
Thanks mate :D :D

Re: Disc detainer locks - tips & tricks [VIDEO]

PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 10:34 pm
by LocksmithArmy
solly... that was... AMAZING... you killed that disk detainer man... i can see abloys falling to your hands in the near future... kokomo was right... youve got something man... the real deal

Re: Disc detainer locks - tips & tricks [VIDEO]

PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 5:27 am
by Solomon
You're gonna make me blush LSA... remember these are really cheap and crappy, very easy to open. I did a video a while before this where I blasted through a pile of em in just a few mins... it's not that I'm awesome at picking, they just suck :P

Re: Disc detainer locks - tips & tricks [VIDEO]

PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:47 am
by piotr
Thanks for the tutorial video. Well done.

I'm still confused about directions. So you zero clockwise, tension clockwise and rotate anti-clockwise?

Re: Disc detainer locks - tips & tricks [VIDEO]

PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:14 am
by Solomon
piotr wrote:Thanks for the tutorial video. Well done.

I'm still confused about directions. So you zero clockwise, tension clockwise and rotate anti-clockwise?

Yep. When you rotate the discs anti-clockwise slowly you'll feel them set after very little movement, if you feel no set after rotating back about 45 degrees then it's a 0 disc and you should feel it set when you return to the 90 degree position.

Re: Disc detainer locks - tips & tricks [VIDEO]

PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:02 pm
by pickafication
Before this i was completely in the dark as to how to tension one of these suckers, :') after watching those two videos i clearly understand how i can manipulate them, and with practice will be able to pick them :') thanks solomon,or dr.brint :') really glad u posted this :)

Re: Disc detainer locks - tips & tricks [VIDEO]

PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:13 am
by Riyame
Amost a year to the day :lol: Great videos.

Re: Disc detainer locks - tips & tricks [VIDEO]

PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:25 pm
by pin_pusher
very glad that someone brought this video up again, this is the newest experiment for my practicing while i wait for my safe lock and dial to arrive in the mail. i have the same tool, and very similar locks. thanks, a new skill learned quickly for myself.

Re: Disc detainer locks - tips & tricks [VIDEO]

PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 5:16 pm
by nozza36
Nice job Solomon , unfortunately i've snapped the tip off my pick , don't know if i can buy just the wire/tip part
damn thing wasn't on properly when i bought it .
I've been wondering about rear tension for some time but never got round to investigating it , i wasn't even aware that there is already a
tool available for this so thanks again mate , happy hols !