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26 Pin Tubular/Dimple Lock

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caliusoptimus

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Post Mon Oct 05, 2015 8:01 pm

26 Pin Tubular/Dimple Lock

Hey folks, 1st post on this forum and I must say the selection of smilies is epic :soldier:

I'd like to share my project lock! It's a 26 pin tumbler of my own design. I'm not sure if anyone has ever made a lock with this configuration but it wouldn't surprise me. I built it mostly for fun, and because it looks cool.
This is my first prototype and was thrown together with some misc materials I had laying around. It works really well for a 1st try.

I built it around .115" diameter schlage pins in 0.015" increments. It will accept pins .225" (zero bit) through .300" (deepest cut) giving it 6 possible depths per pin.
There are 4 rows of pins, the first having 7 pins, 6 in the second, 7 in the third and 6 in the fourth. The front of the lock looks like it has 8 pins, but the one at 12 o' clock is a press fit dowel pin that both aligns the key and allows the lock to be tensioned.

The key "blade" is 1/2" diameter with a .305" hole. It is 7/8" in length bow to tip. It has 26 corresponding dimples ranging from .005" deep (zero cut, schlage #4 pin) to 0.080" (deepest cut, schlage #9 pin).

During the design stage I tried to make this beast as pick resistant as possible. I offset every other row of pins in hopes of blocking access to the rear pins. It would probably be pickable with a standard set of dimple picks as long as the first two rows aren't cut to maximum depth. Right now it's pinned up with all standard pins but I imagine filling it with serrated pins would make picking it an extreme challenge with any bitting.

I've been contemplating a few attacks for this beast. I could see bumping and foil impressioning turning into viable techniques. I have every intention of testing them :mrgreen:
I can also think of a few physical attacks that would do the job rather quickly, but these will be designed out if I get around to making a second prototype. One is the brass pin in the center. If i were to drill or otherwise remove this piece, all of the pins and springs would fly out in short order. A hard steel center pin would be a good remedy. After that option I would try drilling the pins themselves with a hole saw. A row of hard steel key pins would slow this down, but getting all the way through might let the uppers and springs fall out once again. I've got an idea for this as well.... maybe making some special driver pins to provide a relocking action.

All in all this thing is pretty useless lol! Maybe one day I'll finalize it and make a housing to attach it to the deadbolt on my front door. Would certainly be a conversation piece.

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Sorry for the lowQ pics. I'll post up some better shots plus internals when my camera is back from a friend.
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Post Mon Oct 05, 2015 8:04 pm

Re: 26 Pin Tubular/Dimple Lock

that sir is epic :salute:

welcome to the forum, stop by the chat some time :)
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Post Mon Oct 05, 2015 8:05 pm

Re: 26 Pin Tubular/Dimple Lock

Welcome to the forum! That is a really neat design. Also from a security point of view it will be impossible to take a surreptitious photo of the key to duplicate it since the pins go all the way around.
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Post Mon Oct 05, 2015 8:06 pm

Re: 26 Pin Tubular/Dimple Lock

wow! that is a crazy design! nice work, it looks real professional :D thanks for sharing .. can't wait for more pix!
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Post Mon Oct 05, 2015 8:56 pm

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Thanks for the warm welcome!
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Post Mon Oct 05, 2015 10:25 pm

Re: 26 Pin Tubular/Dimple Lock

Have to admit, this is quite impressive. Heck of a first post! Welcome to The Dark Side!

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Post Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:21 am

Re: 26 Pin Tubular/Dimple Lock

Im with the rest, amazing work mate and welcome.
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Post Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:47 am

Re: 26 Pin Tubular/Dimple Lock

Wonderful machining. Are you a tool and die maker?
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Post Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:57 am

Re: 26 Pin Tubular/Dimple Lock

Damn that is cool!
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Post Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:14 am

Re: 26 Pin Tubular/Dimple Lock

Want to have some fun? Calculate the possible key differs. 6 depths times 26 locations means 6^26 differs. Incredible number.

170,581,728,179,578,208,256 theoretical key differs.

Abloy, eat your heart out!

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Post Tue Oct 06, 2015 2:29 pm

Re: 26 Pin Tubular/Dimple Lock

Excellent design and fab work! Maybe find a chunk of tool steel for the next one.. could see that working well on a strongbox.
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Post Tue Oct 06, 2015 4:31 pm

Re: 26 Pin Tubular/Dimple Lock

Incredible work! Thanks for sharing and welcome to the board.
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Post Tue Oct 06, 2015 4:43 pm

Re: 26 Pin Tubular/Dimple Lock

WTF?! lol... you made that?! Pure 'lock-porn' right there.

Welcome!! You sir are going to fit right in around here. lol
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Post Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:21 pm

Re: 26 Pin Tubular/Dimple Lock

VERY cool, great work! and welcome!
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Post Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:20 am

Re: 26 Pin Tubular/Dimple Lock

Very nice machining! Tell me about your shop. (pics?)
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