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Re: Making a 3d printable block to use on my machine when i

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:19 pm
by ghost_os
MrPharmer2012 wrote:Pulled an image and calibrated the size and gonna test a schlage spacing when i get my machine, Should be able to place spring inside and snap the shaft in if measured right may need some filing or sanding , and should work same as original possibly we will see. I have grooves in it so i can apply white paint and wipe off keeping in groove. this is test number 1. Machine wont be here till the 15th.


Keep us informed! If you get them working, would you consider selling them to those of us who don't have access to a 3D printer or CNC machine? Might be some legal issues there though, lol, so maybe not. Definitely keep posting updates though!

Re: Is the Framon Depth and space book available as a pdf?

PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:04 pm
by MrPharmer2012
I can document the steps I take for you guys but I wont be selling the pieces, I have bought the actual blocks also I plan to cut a key on each the printed block and the original and compare the two. machine should come today parts from framon should come monday or tuesday

Re: Is the Framon Depth and space book available as a pdf?

PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:41 pm
by MrPharmer2012

Re: Is the Framon Depth and space book available as a pdf?

PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:42 pm
by ghost_os
Looking very nice! Great work!

Re: Is the Framon Depth and space book available as a pdf?

PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:33 pm
by tpark
MrPharmer2012 wrote:I can document the steps I take for you guys but I wont be selling the pieces, I have bought the actual blocks also I plan to cut a key on each the printed block and the original and compare the two. machine should come today parts from framon should come monday or tuesday


Good job on making the blocks! The marks don't have to be too precise - the idea is that you're pretty close to the correct value, and can use the dial to exactly set the spacing.
Perhaps an explanation is in order.
Here's the gcode enry for standard Schlage keys. The spacing is 0.156, so we should use block 1, but really if it's a bit off it doesn't matter too much. To start, I wind the carriage all the way to the left, and set it to 0 - since the first entry is 0.231, I turn the knob 4 full turns (that's 200, since it moves 50 each rotation) and then set it to 31, so it's at 231. I then move the block using the knob that moves the block so it's on the rightmost mark. The marks then match the location of the spaces for the pins. I load the blank in, set the depth, and cut the key. Once the first cut is made, I rotate the knob 3 times until it lines up with the second mark, then precisely adjust the spacing. Cut two is at 387, so the dial will read 37, and be lined up with the mark.

If you purchase the Framon machine new, it comes with a dial caliper that works well, but I use an HPC straight yoke micrometer for calibration. Once calibrated it's good, but I always check when changing cutters. There's a Schlage specific cutter (which I have and use) but keys cut with the universal cutter work OK.

Re: Is the Framon Depth and space book available as a pdf?

PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:35 am
by MrPharmer2012
https://youtu.be/gyX4KiYp68w
[youtube]https://youtu.be/gyX4KiYp68w[/youtube]

Re: Is the Framon Depth and space book available as a pdf?

PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:26 pm
by MrPharmer2012
Block spacing template
An individual I met thru ebay shared these files with me, He said that they are open source for other lock enthusiasts that wish to tinker with the framon so here you guys go, If you want the Psd photoshop file you can pull from this drop box https://www.dropbox.com/sh/osgzj5ntiap8c0j/AAB15xu3xb5Bx4rgmfsy_bqXa?dl=0

Re: Is the Framon Depth and space book available as a pdf?

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:31 am
by Krull Cat
Good day, this may not be a comprehensive listing but it is something I guess :)

Please see attached file.

Re: Is the Framon Depth and space book available as a pdf?

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:38 am
by Krull Cat
MrPharmer Posted these graphics for me. The idea was to make the spacing block indexer more
flexible without the need for multiple blocks.

He was on the right track with his 3D printed block but his methodology was a tad off.

Wrapping a small printable block sleeve is easier to both markup and replace.
In fact you can wrap any old blank paper around any spacing block and turn it into a spacing sleeve for any
key system out there.

Re: Is the Framon Depth and space book available as a pdf?

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 4:16 pm
by Krull Cat
Attached is the Depth and spacing data provided by a key manufacturer, these files are also available at:
http://www.hudsonlock.com/code-cards--dsd.html

All you can eat cuts and spacing :D