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abroxis wrote:Where does one buy legit Raimundo picks from.

Rai are you accepting orders from end users or wholesale only?

rai wrote:they speak of those, which seems plural. its not me. im not plural, so yeah I think its a dick thing to say and it looks like they blew it on copying them too
there are obvious thin spots that will cause stress to build on a small area.

bad copies with the bogota name will drag down the reputation of my stuff except among those who know them.

That must be the major manufacturer sparrows was refering to. looks like they did not make real bogotas, just stole the pick tips from me and made them in an inferior copy

jerks

jeffmoss26 wrote:I too am a member of LP101 but rarely post...I read a lot of the threads, and some people do rub me the wrong way. For instance, every time I read a reply made by Evan, I hear a guy yelling at people for not knowing as much as he does. His posts come off as condescending in most cases, and quite frankly it just makes me mad. I always thought we were supposed to help each other.
Have I mentioned that I like Keypicking just a bit more?

rai wrote:Scott Rendell of Storm lockpicks has a lot in common with Romstar, Frank Spencer, but negociations with him were interrupted by my computer being hacked, with 32 copies of some virus and my yahoo email password being changed repeatedly.
More recently he has just been stringing me along with romstar like promises and "its in the mail" bushit.

elbowmacaroni wrote:Rai, I totally understand your frustration. However, at this juncture even if you had protected the design under patent, the patent would be quite expired at this point.

piotr wrote:

elbowmacaroni wrote:Rai, I totally understand your frustration. However, at this juncture even if you had protected the design under patent, the patent would be quite expired at this point.

I think a trademark would have been more suitable in this instance. The word "Bogota" in the context of lock manipulation tools would be registrable as what is termed an arbitrary trademark. An arbitrary trademark is a word with an existing meaning (in one context) which is applied in a context which has no distinctive meaning or identity. Examples of arbitrary trademarks include Chicago (Lock Company), Apple (Computers), Master (Locks), BlackBerry (Smartphones and Tablets), Silhouette (Vinyl Cutters), Canon Cameras, Fargo (Printers) and Alps (Printers). My impression is that Rai doesn't mind so much that people are reproducing his design but rather that by calling their picks "Bogotas" or "Bogota" they are implying that Rai was somehow involved in their production either directly or that they carry his endorsement. Had "Bogota" been registered as a trademark the non-Raimundo products would not have been able to legally carry the name "Bogota". Also, trademarks don't have an expiry date, they can be retained indefinitely (as long as they are used; although some jurisdictions require renewal every 10 years). They will expire only if they fall into dis-use. But of course trademarks -- just like patents -- need to be protected in court and this can be prohibitively expensive for the small business.

Aedalas wrote:

piotr wrote:

Aedalas wrote:Could it have been Southord maybe?

They even called them "Bogota Picks". Calling them "Bogota Picks" at least implicitly acknowledges Ray as the origin of the design but an explicit acknowledgement would have been more civilised.

"We extend a special thank you to those who assisted in their creation by expressing their ideas for design."

If that wasn't rai then this just seems like a dick thing to say too.

rai wrote:they speak of those, which seems plural. its not me. im not plural, so yeah I think its a dick thing to say and it looks like they blew it on copying them too
there are obvious thin spots that will cause stress to build on a small area.

bad copies with the bogota name will drag down the reputation of my stuff except among those who know them.

That must be the major manufacturer sparrows was refering to. looks like they did not make real bogotas, just stole the pick tips from me and made them in an inferior copy

jerks

Aedalas wrote:Well this is an interesting turn of events. Turns out there was nothing to worry about at all, these picks are actually Pagodas, NOT Bogatas. It's all better now guys.