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Oldfast

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Post Fri Nov 21, 2014 6:34 pm

Kwikset Reloaded

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My goal here is not necessarily to create a Kwikset spawned from the pits of hell. lol
I'd just like to be able to make these locks a little more secure. For better or worse
Kwikset dominates the residential market. Of course this depends on where you
live. But for me it's usually a Kwikset or Schlage. If I'm servicing one of these
and the person shows enough concern, I can at least give them the option
of throwing in some of these pins with the idea that they will "help some"

My test subject: I've acquired several of these 'old school' Kwiksets.
Nice to see a time when they were built solid & comprised of all brass.

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So I'm currently focusing on several pin designs - all based off of other lock manufacturers.
I'm creating these from pins directly from a Kwikset pin kit. There's two sizes of drivers;
Kwikset's standard drivers are .180 long. The red one's are a bit shorter at .160.

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The 3 on the far left... around here, these are affectionately referred to as "trampoline pins"
Based on TrioVing pins as Xeo has highlighted HERE. You'll notice the first two are a little
closer to the original. I think they may prove to be just as, if not more effective than the 3rd
more drastically angled one (which is more like a VingCard pin, as Ed has shown us here)

On the right... "T-pins" were introduced by Schlage and were never intended to be security pins.
But as FarmerFreak has illustrated on more than one occasion, stacking these pins can create
some devastating effects. I plan to experiment with these in hopes of getting similar results.

And in the middle... "lipped mushroom pins" found sprinkled throughout Medeco cores.
I'm not yet sure how these will pan out. They're not exactly easy to make... and there may
be other more simplistic designs that would prove to be just as effective but with less work.

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And naturally, I'll be roughing up the tops of some of the longer key pins.
We need to make sure all you sloppy pickers out there pay for it :evil: lol



This is one of my 'side projects' that I continuously revisit. I make a little more progress each time.
Next time I pass through I'll have some pictures of my setup (dremel & various files) that I'm using.
I'll also talk of some of the problems I've had. Some I've worked around, and others still haunt me.
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Post Fri Nov 21, 2014 6:41 pm

Re: Kwikset Reloaded

You are just plain evil :???:
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Post Fri Nov 21, 2014 6:51 pm

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Interesting post OldFast. This something I'm very interested in as I intend on hardening my house locks as the guys in chat know. I will definitely be watching this thread and hope you update soon. I can't wait to see your pin modification techniques. (Might of saved me some money as I just invested in a security pin kit, ah so is life).

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Post Fri Nov 21, 2014 7:16 pm

Re: Kwikset Reloaded

drooooool
femurat: They're called restricted for a reason...
Innerpicked: The more keys you carry, the more important you look
GWiens2001: Great video! Learned a lot about what fun can be had with a forklift and a chainsaw.
pmaxey83: but i first have to submit the proper forms for a new hobby to my wife
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Post Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:32 am

Re: Kwikset Reloaded

All you could possibly need now are those tiny ball bearings that fit inside the top pins

Yes Gordon, inside the driver springs
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Post Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:46 am

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jones wrote:All you could possibly need now are those tiny ball bearings that fit inside the top pins


You mean in the driver springs, right Jones?

How about drilling a hole through a long pin, then cutting it into rings. Then file down another driver pin with a drill and file to make a spindle for the rings to fit on for the Drunkin Spools. (Forgot who makes those, but I want one of those locks).

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Post Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:13 pm

Re: Kwikset Reloaded

Jones... the pin kit came with tiny ball bearings, too small for construction
keying, so I wasn't quite sure what they were for. To hinder bumping then?
They're labeled "PK Balls". The short red drivers are labeled "PK Top Pins"

Gordon... You thinking of multi-segment spooled drivers maybe?
DOM-S, page 65 & 66 in the High Security Lock Encyclopedia.
Put it on the wish list :)
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Post Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:19 pm

Re: Kwikset Reloaded

PK is "Protecto Key, allows new homes to be
keyed to a builder’s key, and once homeowner
uses their key, builder is locked out."
femurat: They're called restricted for a reason...
Innerpicked: The more keys you carry, the more important you look
GWiens2001: Great video! Learned a lot about what fun can be had with a forklift and a chainsaw.
pmaxey83: but i first have to submit the proper forms for a new hobby to my wife
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Post Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:30 pm

Re: Kwikset Reloaded

I dunno, these are awfully tiny ball bearings for that. Like .045 small. I guess that's what
made me wonder if they were for something other than construction keying. However,
I've never keyed one up for that... so maybe I just assumed they would be larger.
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Post Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:44 pm

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Oldfast wrote:I dunno, these are awfully tiny ball bearings for that. Like .045 small. I guess that's what
made me wonder if they were for something other than construction keying. However,
I've never keyed one up for that... so maybe I just assumed they would be larger.


Yes, those are for construction cores, Mike. They were in the locks that came on this house when we bought it from the builder. They did not last the day is when we bought the house. But when they were field stripped, there were three of each of those balls in two cavities in the plug. So, as usual, Jeff is right. :)

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Post Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:13 pm

Re: Kwikset Reloaded

Ok, you guys have just got me too curious now.
Clear it up for me so I can go on with life, eh? lol

I've placed a ball in chambers 4 & 5 as well as one of each outside the core for comparison.

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The ball in #4 is what I always thought would be for construction keying.
The other one in chamber 5 just seems so damn small? No?
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Post Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:32 pm

Re: Kwikset Reloaded

Well according to this, you guys are correct. Especially when I read the "Helpful Hint"
towards the bottom of the page where it refers to the size of a #2 master pin versus a PK ball.

The other larger ball in the photo I think came from a Schlage kit I got a while back.
Used for the same thing I'd assume, but in that kit they're tagged as "CK Ball"

Geez Gordon, all this talk of balls.... you've anything to add :???:
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Post Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:00 am

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ohh so thats what that small side milling is for on the cylinder. i never knew that. but now it makes perfect since. i dont think the builder here do anything like that.
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Post Sun Nov 23, 2014 8:09 am

Re: Kwikset Reloaded

That's right kinz. It basically saves a locksmith another trip, and the new home owner that expense.
The home owner, by simply using their key for the first time, is actually re-keying their lock and
rendering the builder's key useless.

You can imagine how it works. 2 keys, 2 slightly different bittings. The builders/contractor's key
leaves these balls below the shearline so they remain in the chambers to accommodate the
bitting of that key throughout the building process.

When all is said & done and the workers have no business being there, the home owner uses their
key for the first time. The slightly higher cuts of this key positions these balls above the shearline and
into the bible. As the core is turned they fall into the additional holes & the builders key is now useless.

Again, I'm familiar with the concept but have never actually done it.
So someone can correct me if that's not an accurate description.
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Post Sun Nov 23, 2014 1:29 pm

Re: Kwikset Reloaded

Have a lot of balls to offer, Oldfast. But they are for my wife only. :-)

Essentially this is a way of master keying the lock which, when the proper key is used, has the master pins (balls) removed permanently.

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