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Post Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:38 am

replacement pad lock cylinders - designation

Hi guys.

I have some Lockwood padlocks that I want to replace the cylinders with something more secure like a Protec or a BiLock etc.

Can anyone tell me where I can find what the designation of the cylinders are that will fit these locks? :kik:

The lock bodies are really strong and look the same on many different brands ie. :padlock: but the Lockwood cylinders are a bit too easy. I've looked at the catalogues for a range of locks that have, what look to be, the same bodies but can't seem to find what the replacement cylinders are designated.

Basically, I want cylinders that will keep me out for a long while - if you know what I mean. :D

Any help greatly appreciated.

Sorry if that's not too clear. Something like " that's a XYZ42P style of cylinder that you need for that lock"
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Post Thu Apr 17, 2014 2:58 pm

Re: replacement pad lock cylinders - designation

Picture of the lock and/or cylinder? Easier to point you in the right direction :)
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Post Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:59 pm

Re: replacement pad lock cylinders - designation

Try an ABLOY Protec. That should keep you out "for a long while", as you put it. :twisted:

Unfortunately, do not know which Lockwood padlock bodies you want the lock to fit into, so can not be a lot of help. Not that I have much knowledge of Lockwood locks.

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Post Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:12 am

Re: replacement pad lock cylinders - designation

Sorry I wasn’t too clear.

These are a couple of the locks.

Lw 1.jpg


Lw 2.jpg


In almost every lock manufactures catalogues there are these locks ( I assume they are the same) just the cylinders and brand stamps are different.

In the picture, the core has two lugs on the back, others have a semicircle cut out and others are the fig 8 configuration like this :sfic: . Look at the bitting on the key and you will see the problem. Drop a half diamond down the key way and it opens, don’t even have to pull it out. Changing the bitting won’t help because every Lockwood I have ever come across (a lot) will fall to a Bogota and most succumb to a half diamond.

As everything has a part number, I am assuming that there are replacement cores for these locks and they have a designation number/code (or whatever). I also assume that there will be a code for the different rear actuating patterns. Like XYZa, XYZb etc. for two lugs, semicircle etc.

If you had one of these locks (say an Abloy) and you wanted to order a replacement cylinder, what would you order, ie. What would be the part number that you would put down?

Is there a list of common cores and their designation? I can’t seem to find such a thing but I’m sure (hopeful) that such a thing exists or does each manufacture have a different designation.

As all these manufacturers are owned by Assa/Abloy anyway I hope there is a standard.

Yes, I'm positive a Protek will keep me out. :mrgreen: even a BiLock.

Thanks for any help.

Cheers.
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Post Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:24 am

Re: replacement pad lock cylinders - designation

Think I have that same model of Lockwood padlock in my collection. Can take out the cylinder and see what matches can be made. All I have to do is find it. :oops: I have... uhh... a couple of locks here. Maybe more than a couple. :roll:

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Post Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:10 am

Re: replacement pad lock cylinders - designation

Thanks Gordon.

You know what I mean about different brands having the same bodies?

The second picture looks looks like an Abus Model:ABUS 83CS/50.

ie http://www.ebay.com.au/bhp/abus-padlock

Master also has a model like this :padlock:
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Post Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:56 am

Re: replacement pad lock cylinders - designation

Neil, I think I understand what you are after. I have the replacement part number for the cylinder of the 334C5 because I ordered that part many years ago but because it was many years ago I will have to do a small hunt for it. Give me a few hours and I'll see if I can find it.
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Post Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:48 am

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piotr wrote:Neil, I think I understand what you are after. I have the replacement part number for the cylinder of the 334C5 because I ordered that part many years ago but because it was many years ago I will have to do a small hunt for it. Give me a few hours and I'll see if I can find it.


Thanks Mate.

Appreciate that.

Is the part number the same for different brands of cylinders?

One more question. Where does one find the part numbers? :???:

Thanks.
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Post Sat Apr 26, 2014 3:06 am

Re: replacement pad lock cylinders - designation

My apologies for the delayed response. I haven't forgotten about you.

The Lockwood Assa-Abloy website lockweb.com.au is supposed to be an authoritative source on Lockwood products and product codes. See http://www.lockweb.com.au/en/site/lockweb/Lockwood-Products/?groupId=1175870&productId=948157

The barrel of the 334x45 locks is the same as the 570 oval cylinders (click the Specification tab http://www.lockweb.com.au/en/site/lockweb/Lockwood-Products/?groupId=1175870&productId=948157#specification). The actual cylinder is unsepcified--which is poor technical writing form IMHO. (See http://www.lockweb.com.au/Local/AU/Documents/Catalogues/Lockwood/Lockwood%20Modular%20Cylinder%20Extensions.pdf for the details on the 570 oval cylinder.) The best description of the cylinder in the 334 series padlock that I could find is "570 Plug Compatible KNK Cylinder" (http://www.locallocksmiths.co.nz/Product%20Catalogues/Padlocks%20product%20list.pdf) I am unable to find the actual part number for the KIK cylinder.


At this point I abandoned the Lockwood website and just searched for high security lock manufacturers replacements and this was much more fruitful:

Evva replacements:
http://www.locksupplies.com.au/evva-restricted-systems/evva-cylinders/evva-padlock-cylinder?Page=1&Items=6

BiLock replacements:
http://www.accesshardware.com.au/Portals/0/brands/Australian_Lock/catalogues/ALCO_PadlockBrochure.pdf

Lockwood Generation Six, MT5, MT5+, Twin replacements:
http://www.assaabloy.com.au/Local/AU/Documents/Catalogues/Lockwood/Lockwood%20Keying%20and%20Cylinders%20Catalogue.pdf (see page 13)

Cyberlock replacement:
http://www.cyberlock.com/Custom_Lock_select.php?show=all
http://www.cyberlock.com/AC_PDFs/Product%20Sheets/CLT-PL4WR.pdf

Hope this helps.
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Post Sat Apr 26, 2014 3:07 am

Re: replacement pad lock cylinders - designation

Neilau wrote:Is the part number the same for different brands of cylinders?


No.
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Post Sat Apr 26, 2014 5:23 am

Re: replacement pad lock cylinders - designation

Thank you - greatly appreciated.

This is exactly what I needed to find out.

Once again. Thanks for your effort.
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