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Posted: **Sun Sep 28, 2008 2:19 pm**

Also, what plug is in the lock? 6-pin Biaxial or is it am M3 type plug with the slider too?

Posted: **Sun Sep 28, 2008 4:05 pm**

johnopsec wrote:Also, what plug is in the lock? 6-pin Biaxial or is it am M3 type plug with the slider too?

6-pin biaxial.

Posted: **Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:23 pm**

Sorry for the getting mixed up people about what I posted earlier.

here is my story I went to my local locksmith and he showed me this Sargent And Greenlead Combo lock.

The numbers F1S3 were on the side of this combo lock.

This is what these numbers and letters meant.

The security rating is from 1 to 4 F means :force so F1 means it will withstand a forceful attack of 1 which is the lowest........ S is for ....sereptisious entry.....or...manipulating the lock so S3 means it will withstand this kind of attack to the 3rd degree,

Posted: **Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:10 pm**

awol70 wrote:this is a COOL lock!
the Ingersoll / S&G 831-B military issue shrouded padlock.
this lock is the only lock in the world that can be submerged in liquid nitrogen for 1/2 an Hr.
with little effect. (any regular lock would shatter into pieces with a smack of a hammer.)
this is due to 4 ceramic "elements" running the length of the lock body,internally.
this lock is also Blast -Proof,and shrouded to an extreme.
it has a giant double-ball locking mechanism

By that you're saying, that's the only lock that you'd lock your stuff up with?

That's one strong a$$ lock!!! :mrgreen:

Posted: **Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:23 am**

Firstly, Not a double ball bearing lock. Single swing arm that locks into both sides of the shackle. (As seen in 249 - 251 ontop of the cylinder)

johnopsec: you have to remember that these things are Military locks.
I remember being told once that any mechanical mechanism designed for military issue can have no more than 7 replaceable parts. This is so any old G.I. can repair and\or replace any faulty part in the field, without much prior knowledge.

So to completely dismantle this thing (excluding the shackle), you insert the service key, rotate anti-clockwise, pull the shackle out and the block on the side pops out.
Removing this block reveals the locking bar ontop of a plug. That's it.
Shackle, Plug, Locking Bar, Lock Body, and the slider thing. 5 piece lock.
The sliding piece opens a large enough hole for the plug to be completely extracted and replaced with no tools.

This is a true simple-man's lock.

Posted: **Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:01 pm**

redbird signed in to youtube 15 hours ago..... first time in like 2 months I think.

Posted: **Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:16 pm**

USApicker wrote:redbird signed in to youtube 15 hours ago..... first time in like 2 months I think.

uh roger that...had a conversation with him.
was very glad to hear red was doing ok,just swamped,and too busy for hobby time. =|

Posted: **Fri Nov 28, 2008 1:28 pm**

could you post a picture of the keyway. These keys have an expired patent, so blanks are now available through ILCO, unless this is some G-13 kind of thing I believe I do have these blanks in stock. I work primarily with Medeco and Mul-T-Lock PM me and maybe I can send you'se guys some blanks

Posted: **Fri Nov 28, 2008 2:51 pm**

mkultra23 wrote:could you post a picture of the keyway. These keys have an expired patent, so blanks are now available through ILCO, unless this is some G-13 kind of thing I believe I do have these blanks in stock. I work primarily with Medeco and Mul-T-Lock PM me and maybe I can send you'se guys some blanks

here you go...(pm sent.)

Posted: **Fri Dec 19, 2008 1:17 pm**

This is a quote from another forum about medeco patented keyways. :
"That's interesting [...] about the "five level" 61 keyway. It is actually a six level key and the blank is now covered by Federal law with a severe penalty for sale or cutting of the key. That particualr key is called the USG keyway and is used primarily in the S&G 831B padlocks. Highly restricted even within the military. If you remember the name of the maker, you might call Medeco and let them know because it could be really dangerous for all of us if this blank is readily available and gets into the wrong hands."
apparently you will be sent to Gitmo for even cutting one of these

Posted: **Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:04 pm**

i got this key from my dad from when he worked he needed it to open some gates the lock was replaced and he gave me it, it looks kinda similar

Posted: **Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:39 pm**

johnopsec wrote:I'm not sure exactly what I'm looking at. It seems that counter-clockwise on the newly modified "control" key causes the piece in the side to pop out. That part is intuitive. I'm not sure what is going on with the remaining pictures though.

What has happened between #251 and #252? Where did the piece come from in #253? What was its function? In #254, I see the plug but, how was it removed? Also, what are the other pieces? How were they removed? I don'gt see how they would come out the bottom of the lock so, they must come out of the top but, how? Video would be ultimately cool.

Thanks!

John

coming right up, as requested..=)

Posted: **Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:19 pm**

nice lock i would like to get my hands on one

Posted: **Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:44 pm**

here we go gentlemen...if there are any more questions, or if i missed anything, let me know and i will try and answer,or find the correct answer for you all. i hope you all enjoy the revision.
[youtube] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK63zd4uP4Y[/youtube]

Posted: **Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:29 am**

Woops, forgot about this thread.

Has anyone else dismantled their 831b?

I replaced the medeco 6pin with a LW4 plug, customised the rear end of it to fit into the 831b's unique locking mechanism, now I can cut as many keys as I want.

Much more useful to me now.

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