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Johno wrote:Hi,

I have an ABUS 83CS/50 Padlock that is locked and has no keys. I can't use padlock shims on there to unlock it as can't reach the shackle etc. Is this padlock capable of being picked by an eagle manaul pick or a klom electric pick?

the lockpickkid wrote:Keypicking is my home but I still wonder over to lp101 just to skim information, I can't help but see that even over there you post all the time about what you can, can't and want to to with your pick guns and electric picks, why don't you learn how to pick a lock with regular picks? You have even wanted to bump locks, there is no satisfaction in bumping a lock to death, this isn't even picking, if you really want to learn how to pick locks, learn with regular picks, after you know what locks do and feel like you will have better luck with those electric and manual guns, but still, in my own opinion, they are not going to be as effective as the good old pick and tension wrench.

GutterClown wrote:the lockpickkid, what gives?

KeyPicking's moto is "anything and everything about locksport". I don't see "SPP only" in the title anywhere.
Pick guns are a perfectly valid method of opening locks. This person finds the same joy in using a pickgun, that you do in using hand picks.


The question is simple, Can the lock be opened with a pick gun, or electric pick gun.
The answer is not as simple.
Theoretically, yes. Practically, Probably. Realistically, I couldn't say.

Each lock is unique. Just because you can pick your zenith padlock, does not mean Joe Bloggs can. But it doesn't mean you can automatically pick his zenith padlock either.
Manufacturing defects, enviromential attributes, weather conditions, personal skill level. These all play a role in a successful attempt or not.

Secondly, your skill level may not be adequate. To use your terminology, just because it's a godmode cheat, does not mean that you don't need to finish the level.
You still need to learn to use the pickgun, and master it's abilities and usage.

Thirdly, Pick guns work. But each pick gun is unique, some are hard, some are slow. Some people can only use cheap ones, some stand by their costly ones. If you have something that works, great. but don't be afraid to try something different, at least you will have some idea of what works and what works better.

Fouth, your lock will open without a key. The mechanism can be bypassed.
What you have to attain, as a lockpicker, is what method suits you, and what method is best suited to the lock.
If any one single lockpicking method worked on every single lock, there would be no such thing as bumpkeys, or pick guns, or rapping.
The reality is, every lock needs to be observed, investigated, and tested.

This is why as a lockpicker, you need a broad range of knowledge on many different types of manipulation, because training one particular aspect will never open 100% of locks.

GutterClown wrote:Rapping is a technique mostly used when rekeying pin-tumbler locks, but can also be used on some padlocks.

The method usually involves a cylinder removed from a housing, at the stage where the plug needs to be removed from the barrel.
Without keys, shimming or picking are the most often thought of ways to turn the plug.

Rapping uses a pushing pressure on the end of the plug to push it out of the barrel once the pins are at the sheerline, rather than turning it as you would in normal picking. By hitting the bible of a cylinder against a wooden block, or by hitting the cylinder in your hand with a wooden mallet, while holding slight pushing force, the pins will all get caught at the sheerline, just as with normal picking. If too much pressure is used, the plug will jump out an entire pin-spacing, relocking it in place, one space out. At this point, you must re-rap it back the other way, with pressure pushing the plug INTO the barrel.

This technique is quick when it works. I've found it works on about 70% of locks.
Two or three whacks and it will turn. If not, I shim it. It saves a lot of time when you're doing a lot of locks.

GutterClown wrote:Yes, you push just enough to catch all pins on the sheerline, and push the plug out half a pin spacing.

Grab an old 201 Mortice cylinder, or threaded cylinder, and give it a go.
Just remove any cams \ tailpieces \ circlips, put some pressure on it, and whack it against a wooden block.

GutterClown wrote:Yes, exactly like a bumpkey. You're using enertia to move the top pins.

Swing it towards something wooden, hitting the top of the bible first. the pins will keep traveling, the bottom pins will catch, the top pins will keep going.

Takes a bit to get it the first time.

awol70 wrote:(now to find a mallet or a chunk of hardwood to clamp in a vise...)
mmmmedeco........