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greengrowlocks

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Post Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:17 am

Re: What have you picked today

huxleypig wrote:Good work on the Disclock GreenGrow! Wait until you get some with nastier warding. With Disclock you have the (relative) luxury of being able to move the discs in both directions too, so you can wiggle and get false/real gate info easier. It still takes some hard work to get the picking tip right though. Nice job.

**EDIT** In fact, you just made me remember that The Silver Bullet is good for this profile too :-) **EDIT**



Thanks mate, there was definitely some new challenges for me when making it, particularly milling the diameter of the tensioner shaft and getting the profile right like you mentioned. I just finished a second tool with some better tolerances and it took me a number of attempts before I got the profile just right. Last week I received a DiskLock with a different profile pictured below. I probably won't be making new tips for it though. I'm getting anxious to start on a different project. I currently have a Diamant disassembled on my desk and I think I'll probably try that next. From what I can tell the lock could be tensioned from the front and because the discs have a limited amount of rotation it may make it easier to pick. I also wonder if the three sidebars would make identifying true gates easier.

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Just finished this second tool tonight. I intended to add depth markings but I had trouble fitting my rotary table to the mill. The markings will have to wait until I can make something for the rotary table to attach to.
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Post Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:44 am

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I meant the profiles like this:

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Eek! Not much fun fitting both tensioner and pick arm into there, I promise you.

That gap between the combination discs; it deadens feedback from the discs, having marks to measure the exact amount of wobble is a biggie, doing it by feel is pretty difficult IMO. They run @ 7 x 15 degrees for disclock.

Then they put the disc controller arms into it...no more free movement inside :-(
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Post Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:59 am

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Beautiful tool GGL!

Medeco's - Classic / Biaxial / Keymark

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Sargent RIM Cylinder

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USPS Rotary Padlock

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Cruciform Locks on Telecom Goldphone Payphone

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Lovely tight tolerances on these cruciforms made for a good pick, compared to these the First Gen BiLock on the later Bluephones is a sinch!

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Post Sat Apr 28, 2018 2:48 am

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Lockwood MT5+ VPIL

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This is the Lockwood branded version of the MTL MT5+. Unlike their hobbled Twin variant, there is no difference between this and the 'real' MT5+. Although LW released it in Oz 5+ years ago, uptake has been very limited, so it is very rare to see one around.

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Post Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:46 pm

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So, Biltema no longer stocks the (somewhat famous) no-name ASSA locks. Instead they have this:
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Which is just all standard pins. Not THE easiest pick in the world - unlike many crappy padlocks you actually do have to set each pin - but not exactly a challenge. I really like the feeling of them as well. Perhaps a good practice lock for beginners.

However, they do still stock these, so I picked up a couple, and picked one (second one of these I've ever picked):
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These are actually no-name Dorma locks, with a nasty profile, deeply serrated pins, countermilling and torpedo pins. They are some of my absolute favorites and a good candidate for best pin tumblers around (right up there with ASSA 700) - really tough pick, plus proper protection against impressioning. And for 199SEK you can't beat the price either - that's half the price of any other decent oval cylinder.
Hoping to make a pick+gut video (would be my first, yay!) of one of them soon, if I can only ever get a decent time reliably...
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Post Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:19 am

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I love keepin' tabs on this thread. Some of the shit that
gets slaughtered around here is amazing. Just amazing.
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Post Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:40 pm

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For me it seems that I am at the point where I really need to start making my own tools to have some big gains in terms of defeated locking mechanisms.
Even to just pick a whole Twin Combi seems to require it :( I can't set the 5th side pin with the stuff I have...
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Patrick Star wrote:For me it seems that I am at the point where I really need to start making my own tools to have some big gains in terms of defeated locking mechanisms.
Even to just pick a whole Twin Combi seems to require it :( I can't set the 5th side pin with the stuff I have...


I don't think any companies produce a pick that would work well for the Combi sidebar. It took me a couple tries before I made one that I was happy with. On the the left was the first one I made but it had trouble reliably lifting and rotating the finger pins. I ended up making the second one on the right that worked much better. Both pick are .017" thickness which was just thin enough to slide under the lowest depth finger pin.

On eBay you can buy micro sized drill bit/end mill sets for $4. I used one of the micro drill bits in a Dremel to create the valley in the flag.

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Post Fri May 11, 2018 4:16 am

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Smith & Egge Giant padlock that I acquired in the locked position without a key. Only four levers, so guessing it is an earlier model. If someone knows differently, please let us know!

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Post Sat May 12, 2018 7:04 am

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I also often find disappointment with those 'high-tech' type euro locks GGL, lots of elements that often are either passive, or are a very minor impediment, more a patent extension or a marketing gimmick than an actual security element. All flash and no cash!

Mauer GM Redline, both sides.

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Thanks to GGL for the above lock, forever keeping me amused! To keep the overall footprint of the lock within that of the constraints of the Euro cyl format while still having its massive key, the plugs on either side are mismatched in depth, with one side being about 2/3rds of the overall, and the other 1/3rd. If the key is inserted into the longer plug, it only engages and operates the pins and plug of that side. If inserted into the shorter plug however, the key actually extends through the cam and into the far side plug, engaging pins in both plugs and rotating them simultaneously. I found a good article / teardown of this lock here, translated from Russian to English. Originally when I got this lock I thought the long key and the dual rotating plug would serve some purpose as to deadlocking or something, but after picking it, my guess is the long key is purely a marketing / security gimmick, as it seems to serve no other function in the locks operation, other than to be super long. Does anyone have any more information on the purpose of these long keys in European locks? I have noticed that LOB and others also make standard inline pin tumblers in a similar configuration.

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Post Mon May 14, 2018 12:08 pm

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Sargent KESO

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This is simply a tough lock to SPP. I have in the past raked this lock with a Bogota, and had always found it easy to open in that manner, but being as I would like to try to SPP and hopefully get a better feel for some of my simpler KABA's, I thought this would be a good place to start, seeing as it's supposedly a rebrand, or copy of a KABA Gemini for the states. I have gutted this lock in the past, and I can attest that it contains enough little design details that I also see on other KABAs I have opened that I believe this is true. I made the above pick for it and another model, and find it works great, allowing me to pick from the bottom of the keyway, and reach to the pins on the top left and right without any trouble. The tough part in these for me was that the pins were very very easy to overset. You can apply as much tension as you like to this lock, but because the tolerances are so tight inside, you can only barely set a pin, and if you apply too much pressure, even a little bit, that pin is going to continue over the shearline and into the barrel. This is a great lock!

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Post Tue May 15, 2018 8:42 am

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KESO doesn't have the pins pointing inwards that I thought were KABAs signature. But maybe the smaller (relatively speaking...) KABAs don't either?

With the KESO, I find that it helps using light tension to avoid overset - which is kinda opposite to how it's usually for me (though most locks I pick aren't all standard pins so that might be what's causing the difference?)
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Post Tue May 15, 2018 10:22 pm

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found this Corbin LFIC at work and managed to pick it to control!

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Post Wed May 16, 2018 4:48 am

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Nice work Jeff! Did you ever receive the blank I sent you?

PatrickStar - I think you are thinking of the later model KABA's, like the eXpert, Quattro and Penta, these all contain the angled pins I think you are refering too. They are only a recent addition to the KABA range though, most of the models before them, at least including the 8, 20, Titan and Gemini only had the pins arranged perpendicular with each other facing in from the 9oclock, 12oclock and 3 oclock positions at the top of the keyway.

Heres a photo of the comparison between the KABA Gemini key and the Sargent KESO key.

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Post Tue May 22, 2018 5:46 am

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Thanks to adi for sending me this beautiful Lockwood Mt5 padlock. I took some time today and picked each variant.

Ikon R10, Lockwood MT5 and MT5
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