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Sargent & Greenleaf Environmental padlock info.

PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:52 am
by drydog
Hi
The S&G environmental padlock was prototyped in 1981 and once the contract landed with
the Government/railroads they launched the Environmental padlock @ the ALOA trade show in june 82"

Master lock # 19 was made for the railroads and was used from 1978 (Red bumper)to the early/mid 80's
Abloy replaced the #19 but,didn't fair any better.

I heard that some environmental padlocks were in the field for nearly 30 of service, thats how good they are.

The environmental railroad padlock did unitize a stainless steel shackle which is very
rare, in 9/16 Diameter shackle and padlocks commercially available from early models with 1/2 shackle to later models with 7/16-3/8 & 5/16 diameters.
stainless shackles on the LEFT & case Hardened on RIGHT.
The S&G opens the Abloy & vise versa.

Re: Sargent & Greenleaf Environmental padlock info.

PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:19 am
by GWiens2001
Interesting info, drydog. Thank you!

Gordon

Re: Sargent & Greenleaf Environmental padlock info.

PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 8:14 am
by Oldfast
GWiens2001 wrote:Interesting info, drydog. Thank you!
:agree: Thanks for sharing!

Re: Sargent & Greenleaf Environmental padlock info.

PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 4:14 pm
by macgng
thanks, didn't know about the #19 was used for the RR.

Re: Sargent & Greenleaf Environmental padlock info.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:31 am
by railtech
drydog wrote:The S&G environmental padlock was prototyped in 1981 and once the contract landed with
the Government/railroads they launched the Environmental padlock @ the ALOA trade show in june 82"


Snip

drydog wrote:I heard that some environmental padlocks were in the field for nearly 30 of service, thats how good they are.


Do you (or does anyone) know how to read/decode the date codes (or whatever the numbers not corresponding to the key are) on the locks?

drydog wrote:The S&G opens the Abloy & vise versa.


Can you elaborate? Obviously this isn't true for all Abloy locks; which ones is it true for? Are the keys and locks coded the same as the S&G?

Re: Sargent & Greenleaf Environmental padlock info.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:52 am
by Riyame
railtech wrote:
drydog wrote:The S&G opens the Abloy & vise versa.


Can you elaborate? Obviously this isn't true for all Abloy locks; which ones is it true for? Are the keys and locks coded the same as the S&G?


Abloy made the first versions of the Enviro padlock and operate using the same keys as the S&G version. No other Abloy/S&G version locks or lock systems use interchanging keys.

Re: Sargent & Greenleaf Environmental padlock info.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 12:52 pm
by Alaphablue
Is that key under the #19 in the first pick a brass early 101 ?

Re: Sargent & Greenleaf Environmental padlock info.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 1:46 pm
by spandexwarrior
So I recently saw a railroad here that had brand new Abloy PL340's on some equipment. They had the railroad initials engraved on the front and it used either a classic or the profile keyway with the same half circle shape - I didn't look close enough to tell which. I assumed that they went to these to have more key control/a unique bitting but I suppose if it was the classic system you could key it to work with the S&G keys. Anybody know?

-Brian

Re: Sargent & Greenleaf Environmental padlock info.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:39 pm
by Alaphablue
They use some abloy here on the little buildings were the track crosses the large roads I have yet to see them on switches .

Re: Sargent & Greenleaf Environmental padlock info.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:08 am
by railtech
Riyame wrote:Abloy made the first versions of the Enviro padlock and operate using the same keys as the S&G version. No other Abloy/S&G version locks or lock systems use interchanging keys.


OK, thanks.

I knew Abloy made the keys, but I've not seen one of the locks that will take an S&G key.

But I'm still curious about other variations too---how many different variations are there, etc? Are any marked differently?

Below: two variations of the Abloy keys (how many more variations are there?). Pics are front and back:

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Re: Sargent & Greenleaf Environmental padlock info.

PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:40 pm
by plugspin
I just spotted one of these Abloys for the first time this weekend at the Indy Lock show. I hadn't heard of them before but I noticed the similarity to the S&G enviro lock as it obviously only had 3 disks. I didn't realize they were made to interoperate with the S&G keys. I had already blown my cash on other very interesting locks or else I would have acquired it.

Re: Sargent & Greenleaf Environmental padlock info.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:03 pm
by GWiens2001
plugspin wrote:I had already blown my cash on other very interesting locks or else I would have acquired it.


Man, can I ever understand that statement!

Gordon

Re: Sargent & Greenleaf Environmental padlock info.

PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 9:35 pm
by LocksportSouth
GWiens2001 wrote:
plugspin wrote:I had already blown my cash on other very interesting locks or else I would have acquired it.


Man, can I ever understand that statement!

Gordon


Currently going through the "annoy everyone remotely close by with incessant discussion of and purchasing locks" cycle :D

Regarding S&G Environmental info, I'm sure everyone here has already seen this but BosnianBill put out a video a few years back which is very helpful, it reveals that there are only 27 possible keys for this lock and they are pretty easy to decode:

Hmm, can't seem to get the [youtube] code to work. Well, here's a link instead:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzbhgiwAZCw

Re: Sargent & Greenleaf Environmental padlock info.

PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2015 2:15 pm
by Riyame
LocksportSouth wrote:
GWiens2001 wrote:
plugspin wrote:I had already blown my cash on other very interesting locks or else I would have acquired it.


Man, can I ever understand that statement!

Gordon


Currently going through the "annoy everyone remotely close by with incessant discussion of and purchasing locks" cycle :D

Regarding S&G Environmental info, I'm sure everyone here has already seen this but BosnianBill put out a video a few years back which is very helpful, it reveals that there are only 27 possible keys for this lock and they are pretty easy to decode:

Hmm, can't seem to get the [youtube] code to work. Well, here's a link instead:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzbhgiwAZCw


Bill actually came here and got all of the information he used in that video. Here is a quick tutorial I wrote on how the use the youtube tags here. http://www.keypicking.com/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=7032

Re: Sargent & Greenleaf Environmental padlock info.

PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2015 3:54 pm
by LocksportSouth
Riyame wrote:Bill actually came here and got all of the information he used in that video. Here is a quick tutorial I wrote on how the use the youtube tags here. http://www.keypicking.com/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=7032


Oh wow, fair play - I did not know this. Thanks for setting me straight :D.
Strange.. I could have sworn that I used that exact format, maybe I left something extra at the end of the v=AKJFHKSAHFE bit. Ah well