LaGard 3330

[MeddlingKid]

Well, I have the unfortunate task of trying to open a LaGard 3330. I have identified the right contact point somewhere between 5-6 and the left contact point somewhere just under 99. I graphed the right contact point and came up with a chart. Looks like a high point at 26 and another range of high points from 36-44. I have read through many threads but am a little lost on where I should take things from here. Would very much appreciate any suggestions from posters here experienced with this lock.

[Cheesehead]

Well, I have the unfortunate task of trying to open a LaGard 3330. I have identified the right contact point somewhere between 5-6 and the left contact point somewhere just under 99. I graphed the right contact point and came up with the chart below. Looks like a high point at 26 and another range of high points from 36-44. I have read through many threads but am a little lost on where I should take things from here. Would very much appreciate any suggestions from posters here experienced with this lock.

Unfortunate task? If it's unfortunate, why not hire a locksmith to open your safe? Or what is the task exactly? Maybe tell us a bit about your safe/situation, I'm kind of curious now haha.

[MeddlingKid]

I say unfortunate task because this is my first lock manipulation and based on what I have read here these can be a bit of a challenge. But I do like puzzles and am excited to solve this. Would prefer to open it myself vs calling a locksmith.

[Cheesehead]

I say unfortunate task because this is my first lock manipulation and based on what I have read here these can be a bit of a challenge. But I do like puzzles and am excited to solve this. Would prefer to open it myself vs calling a locksmith.

I'd take a look through oldfast safe chronicles here and get used to parking wheels. Then park stuff around 92 probably.

[MeddlingKid]

I looked through the Oldfast chronicles and I am attempting to use the high/low approach, but will need to determine which points to start with.

[MeddlingKid]

I have tried parking wheels at 90, 92, 93 without any gate signature or further low points worth investigating. I may start from scratch and do another AWL chart, find the low points, and start trying to isolate wheels again.

[Cheesehead]

I have tried parking wheels at 90, 92, 93 without any gate signature or further low points worth investigating. I may start from scratch and do another AWL chart, find the low points, and start trying to isolate wheels again.

The graphs looked flat whichever wheel you placed there, or did some of them still have a shape? All succeeding graphs being flat is very unexpected. I would suspect if so that you did something incorrectly in your previous graph. Perhaps rescanning is best

[MeddlingKid]

I have tried parking wheels at 90, 92, 93 without any gate signature or further low points worth investigating. I may start from scratch and do another AWL chart, find the low points, and start trying to isolate wheels again.

The graphs looked flat whichever wheel you placed there, or did some of them still have a shape? All succeeding graphs being flat is very unexpected. I would suspect if so that you did something incorrectly in your previous graph. Perhaps rescanning is best

They were all pretty flat - Mostly within 1/4 of an increment. I re-ran the AWL graph and saw a very slight dip that I then ran a high/low test on which pointed toward wheel 2. But then when I tried to determine wheel 3, the graph was again flat (within 1/4 of an increment).

What am I doing incorrectly as I would have expected more variation.

[Cheesehead]

I have tried parking wheels at 90, 92, 93 without any gate signature or further low points worth investigating. I may start from scratch and do another AWL chart, find the low points, and start trying to isolate wheels again.

The graphs looked flat whichever wheel you placed there, or did some of them still have a shape? All succeeding graphs being flat is very unexpected. I would suspect if so that you did something incorrectly in your previous graph. Perhaps rescanning is best

They were all pretty flat - Mostly within 1/4 of an increment. I re-ran the AWL graph and saw a very slight dip that I then ran a high/low test on which pointed toward wheel 2. But then when I tried to determine wheel 3, the graph was again flat (within 1/4 of an increment).

What am I doing incorrectly as I would have expected more variation.

Mostly within a quarter of an increment, meaning some stuff wasn’t? I wouldn’t mind seeing that. Hard to tell what’s happening with so little information.

Until you find a gate the choices to make now will be much more subtle.

[MeddlingKid]

Here's what I've done the last couple days. First, I re-ran my AWL chart:

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I then tried to confirm potential gates between 9-10, 64-72, and 80-86. To do that I parked 9,10, 67, and 83.5 at W1, W2, W3. Here's what I found:

Starting with 9 and 10. Although the graph wasn't going that low, it seemed to demonstrate a gate signature on wheel 1. So, I ran high/low tests and confirmed that wheel 1 was driving the pattern (contact area was widest on wheel 1 when running the high-low tests).

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I then parked wheel 1 at 9.5 and isolated wheels 2 and 3 to see whether any additional gates could be identified. Nothing is really popping out here from what I can tell, though when running wheel 2 I only went in increments of 5 (rather than 2).

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I looked at 69 and only thing slightly interesting was possible gate signature on wheel 1, or is this just random fluctuation given it's only changing 1/10 of an increment and goes back down again after the possible gate?

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I then decided to check whether I could get a gate signature on 83 or 84. When I ran 83-AR-83 and 84-AR-84, I saw something peculiar. Somewhat of an odd gate signature, but the lowest point I've seen yet in my graphing. When running high/low tests on 83 and 84 they did NOT show on wheel 2 but contact area was consistent across all wheels. What does it mean that 83-81-83 and 84-82-84 are giving me my lowest right contact point readings so far?

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