MCS Pick??

[10ringo10]

I Understand D,THANKS

[barbarian]

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Pics to follow...

YES Please.....


I think when Tobias talks about simulating a key, he means the way that a sliced up credit card or a piece of flat brass can simulate a Medeco key. You could pass it to an untrained person and they could use it to open the lock. So that would be difficult or perhaps impossible for an MCS.

A complex tool that simulated "the function" of the key, as in opening the lock, is not really a simulated key. Or at least that's the way I understand it. Even if your tool decodes the lock and then serves as a key, like many Falle tools do. It's still a complex tool and you are able to reset it somehow and use it to open other locks..

[huxleypig]

OK, so I thought it was time for an update.

I thought I would show everyone how to read a key. It really is very easy.

A magnet small enough placed onto the keys' magnets will tell you the direction. It helps if you know which way is N and S on your magnet but it is not essential because it is all arbitrary anyway. - Wherever the magnet goes tells you where it needs to be, the polarity/direction is effectively meaningless. In the example below I have used round magnets on 3 of them and a row of rectangular magnets on the other. This shows how you can use different ways to read it off. You can also put a disc magnet on its side and that will point to a direction, like the rectangular ones.



From here you use the information from the key reading to make up a key. Here is half a key I made. The other half deals with discs on the other side and faces the opposite way.



It is very rough and ready (and you have to be very precise) but it is just illustrating that it can be done, and easily, with a few magnets and superglue! I have them lined up on (almost) the same plane because if you read a disc and the magnet needs to go at the opposite side to its neighbour, just flipping it over will mean it now needs to go on the other side!

Regarding manipulating an unknown MCS, I am working on that and hope to be adding more soon!

Reading and faking a key is the easy part, picking it is the hard part. Now this lock, like all others, has tolerances. I believe that they can be exploited. However, the precise moving of the rotors can be difficult, the amount of movement required to miss a gate is very, very small.

I might also have one or two other tricks up my sleeve, stay posted.

[l0ckcr4ck3r]

Waiting to hear what they are!!!

Here something to play with for the sliders… go mill a few of each of these blocks



Make any bitting you want then

[huxleypig]

Such an item is high on my list of things to make, I like the modular setup, as I said, you would be unlucky to bump into a different one but it would be good to have the tools to defeat it still.

I am making 'bypass bars', they are essentially what you get if you cut the top and bottom off a key. So you can just concentrate on those evil magnets!

Btw, I sent you another email l0ckcr4ck3r.

[l0ckcr4ck3r]

yeah… i saw it.. thanks HP

Did you know that the keyway is mirrored on some locks?

also, the bow is 2.6mm thick but the blade is 2.1mm thick… so there is a step. This step is also moved around to create different profiles and the vertical slot milled into the plug face is what acts to block this change!!

There are also some other variations in the profile that i have found. The main problem is, mainly the photos we see on line are privately owned ones. This lock is aimed at the corporate and institutional sectors.

Basically there is only 1 profile and maybe 2 side biting codes assigned to the residential channels, Evva don't give a shit about it cause there no money in it! All the interesting stuff happens between installations or large deployments of the lock

[huxleypig]

I got 2.2mm from the keyway so I suppose the key blade has to be a bit smaller.

I mean the one about the urban legend, you seen that?

[l0ckcr4ck3r]

Other delays on the MCS project gave me an chance to finish of the designs for a Construction Key. Got some 1/8" Nickel silver strip on the way and making the fixture plates for this right now. All credit for simulating the side milling using music wire, goes to huxleypig, so simple and elegant… just Genius!! Although there are only 1.. maybe 2 side millings that seem to be out there, with a simple jig, you can just bend up whatever bitting you need there and then. Unfortunately, 2 different housings will be needed as you can't make 1 tool to fit both mirrored key profiles, just keep it simple








Ill get some photos up when its done

Enjoy!

[GWiens2001]

Stunning work!

[jeffmoss26]

Looks like Solidworks?

[Oldfast]

Stunning work!

It's a little over my head, but nevertheless very interesting! Good stuff!

[droshi]

I made a few videos about the MCS here for anyone interested:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBodDVOerrU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTL0m1IVk5o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv2TaRgDZ7A

No picking yet sorry!

[tumbl3r]

This is great stuff man! I've really wanted to dig into my MCS, but have been seriously afraid I'd brick my $200 lock. Your videos do a great job explaining how to get into and out of them!

[lockpicker]

I got a few MCS in here mate

[droshi]

This is great stuff man! I've really wanted to dig into my MCS, but have been seriously afraid I'd brick my $200 lock. Your videos do a great job explaining how to get into and out of them!

Thanks again. You should go for it! From what I can see, the only way I can see you may brick the lock would be to re-assemble without some parts (sidebar or ball bearings) and then the pins get stuck there. Either way it's semi-recoverable by drilling the pin retainers out.