Re: Southord Picks
Just my opinion, for what it is worth.
Gordon
rai wrote:I wonder whos jigglers they ripped off.....
rai wrote:Actually when I first saw the photo of those jigglers, I thought I had seen something like it before, perhaps a photo on one of the forums, so I was really wondering...
and about the price of bogotas I handmake being too high, I have a tutorial which can help you make your own, for the investment of less than twenty dollars in files that you can get at a local hardware store, you can make hundreds of picks in this style and any other. sweeper bristle is available free. You will get much better with practice and in not very long will make excellent picks
kilby wrote:Where I live the street sweeper bristles are nylon (well similar) so I cant get my hands on the useful ones (I have had conversations with the drivers as I wanted to get a few unused bristles)
If I was going to get a 'copy' of the Bogota I would tend towards the Sparrows version (and at least Sparrows are honest about the picks being copies)
escher7 wrote:I don't see any reference to Rai on the Sparrow site, just Wizwazzle. Sparrows copies have those "rubber" handles which in my opinion limit feedback. Also, if you look at the variety of "Pagoda" picks from Southord you will find they have all the bases covered. Once again, I do understand and agree that Southord should credit Rai, as should Sparrow. But even Toool sells Bogota knock-offs without proper credit.
kilby wrote:escher7 wrote:I don't see any reference to Rai on the Sparrow site, just Wizwazzle. Sparrows copies have those "rubber" handles which in my opinion limit feedback. Also, if you look at the variety of "Pagoda" picks from Southord you will find they have all the bases covered. Once again, I do understand and agree that Southord should credit Rai, as should Sparrow. But even Toool sells Bogota knock-offs without proper credit.
I'm not trying to pick an argument over this, I have Southord picks and they are a decent and well priced product (especially in the UK)
Using the term Bogota (or even triple peak) for a pick will lead you very quickly to Rai and the original designs, by changing their name to Pagoda they are (in my opinion) deliberately obscuring their lineage and claiming that they have a unique product., additionally many of the pagoda 'family' are simply lifted from the rest of Rai's designs (apart from the weird sword shaped thing).
Of course they messed the sizes up and made most of them next to useless, which to me shows that they made some changes to avoid being a 100% copy and ended up producing something really ................... (err whats that word) ...... (hmmmmm).... stupid (or was it crap I'm not quite sure)
Southord did the same thing with their very silly 'Offset C rake" and 'Half Snowman' picks, just because somebody else made them Southord had to have them too (but with a quick renaming ceremony in the bar)
Don't get me wrong other pick makers use other peoples designs, but Southord seem particularly bad for renaming them to lay claim to a seemingly non existent design process.
I do have Southord picks and they are not a poor product (but they bundle random crap into their sets) but doing some of their own design work and leaving the names intact would be a good start.
I am considering buying some Petersons though as the Gem I have is really nice (but expensive in the UK)
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